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    I don't know exactly where and how the tax is fixed, I only know that many providers say we charge a 5,3% game tax on the slots. I also ask myself who gets the money, don't think that the casinos pay it to Germany. Some casinos probably also implemented this with a reduced RTP, i.e. payout ratio, is that legal? Who knows more and which casinos don't have this nonsense. They're stealing my money without me even winning!
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    I don't know exactly where and how the tax is fixed, I only know that many providers say we charge a 5,3% game tax on the slots. I also ask myself who gets the money, don't think that the casinos pay it to Germany. Some casinos probably also implemented this with a reduced RTP, i.e. payout ratio, is that legal? Who knows more and which casinos don't have this nonsense. They're stealing my money without me even winning!
    So who gets the money and whether it is actually paid is irrelevant to me as a customer. We can't change it anyway. But I believe that for some this is just an accommodating solution to be able to deduct something additionally.

    This tax is deducted at least at all casinos with a Malta license where German customers can play. This is not the case with the Curacao licensed casinos. No taxes are deducted at Cosmo Casino, which is licensed by Kahnawake and Malta. However, the casino is only accessible to German customers who already had a customer account before the regulation.

    However, what annoys me much more is that some providers have lowered the RTP, i.e. the payout ratios. Above all, one can name the provider Play'n GO. But other providers are also involved, unfortunately you don't see that immediately as a customer. Unless it is made directly visible in the games. But even then you don't know how the RTP was before. You don't really look explicitly in advance at what the quota is. But you notice that at the latest when playing and the lower payout ratios.

    There will always be the exceptions and situations where you just caught a good phase and the slot pays well. However, the opposite of this happens all too often. In any case, it got worse because of that, unfortunately we can't belittle that.

    I cannot answer whether the reduction in the RTP was due to German regulation or not. But in my opinion it wouldn't make any sense in terms of player protection. Because the chances have become much smaller and thus the losses higher, even with the prescribed limits. It hasn't improved for the player, at least it has stayed the same.

    The "advanced prevention" is just window dressing where you want to justify the restrictions and limits.
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    . You don't really look explicitly in advance at what the quota is. But you notice that at the latest when playing and
    the lower payout percentages..
    So I would say that as an ambitious player you look explicitly beforehand at each individual PlaynGo and PragmaticPlay slot what is currently stated for a quota in the casino in question. At the latest when you notice the differences you will notice that in the future this is the first thing you should do before actually playing. At least I for my part would never get the idea to start playing without first checking the odds currently given in the game and casino. Even with those casinos that have not made any changes to the two named providers or are practicing them, this is always done that way. Of course, one never knows whether and to what extent these specified values ​​are relevant or not.

    I find the theoretical question of when variance and coincidence ends much more interesting. As an example, the game Book of Dead (96,21% version): only last week as can be proven by video recording: 99 spins without a win. Well, until then everything is fine - but how far is it "allowed" to go? 250 spins? 1000 spins? In the end none of this matters, because: As a player, you always accept the opaque random progressions in advance anyway. So even if Starburst spins 500 spins without a single win: you accept the result as being within the scope of the random factor either way. The long-term evaluations and fair play analyzes etc. are one thing, but specifically you can play 10000 spins and have an RTP of 2%》all completely legitimate.
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    It's so different and everyone does it differently, but that's okay too. When I feel like gambling, I pick a game I want to play and start without looking at the payout percentages first. But what I avoid are the Play'n GO games where I know in advance that the odds have been reduced there.

    It's the same with many others, but you would have to look for the quota and I'm not in the mood for that. As you said aptly, random progressions are accepted. In the meantime, however, this 5,3% tax per spin is also accepted. If you don't want that, then you just play in casinos where this tax is not deducted.
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    Quote Posted by gamblejohn View Post
    . , is that legal?
    Of course, everything that the casinos have determined in their terms and conditions is legal, which you must accept without exception before playing. And there is usually also the notorious clause with one's own discretion and without giving reasons & co.

    They're stealing my money without me even winning!
    Yes - that's how it is. Whether with this reduced RTP or without, as in classic table games such as roulette. The casino always steals the par percentage of your turnover, even if you win. Also called house advantage
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