Does card counting make sense in online casinos?

[Horses]

I've been studying blackjack card counting strategy for a while. In a normal casino, this is hardly possible, since the cards are put into a shuffler after every game and counting is of no use.


I once watched a few videos on YouTube from the online casino and it's the same as it used to be. The cards come in a normal slide, and are only shuffled again when only a few are left in the slide. Depending on the table, the minimum is between 0,50 and 5 euros.


I thought it would be like trying it out in an online casino, counting the cards with a certain Black Jack card counting app on my cell phone in order to record the status. The advantage is that you can't be seen or heard, so you can count with the app without having to think long and hard. With the app you also have to type in how many decks of cards are estimated to be in the deck. If the count was +3 now, I would bet a little more, but afterwards I would still bet the minimum until the count got bigger.


What do you think?


would that work?


Has anyone ever had experience with this?

[playtime spielo]

At Live Blackjack in online casinos Although traditional "shoes" are usually still used, counting cards is also made impossible here. On the one hand, in the live online game of BlackJack, at least half of all cards are cut off and not a third as is usual, and on the other hand, a lot more smaller cards are played! The latter being my guess, but years of playing blackjack have given me a pretty good guess.

[IndexP]

At Live Blackjack in online casinos Although traditional "shoes" are usually still used, counting cards is also made impossible here. For one thing, in the live online game of blackjack, at least half of the cards are cut off and not a third as is usual and on the other hand played with much more smaller cards! The latter being my guess, but years of playing blackjack have given me a pretty good guess.

How does that work?

[playtime spielo]

How does that work?

I've played for years, it used to be 99% Playtech Live Casinos, and it was very noticeable that more small than big cards were drawn. As I have already mentioned, this is my completely personal opinion and only speculation. It's also the case that you didn't open the card in the game after changing shoes, only the new sled was exchanged. So there could be more like 6 decks in there, more small cards than big cards, whatever. Since they stabbed more and more than half of the sled, it was also impossible to count or compare.

[IndexP]

I've played for years, it used to be 99% Playtech Live Casinos, and it was very noticeable that more small than big cards were drawn. As I have already mentioned, this is my completely personal opinion and only speculation.
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So there could be more like 6 decks in there, more small cards than big cards, whatever.

Spielo, you're an affiliate, right?
Are you aware of what you write there?

What you are accusing casinos, live casinos, Playtech live casinos with here (speculation, opinion, assumption - whatever) - adding a few additional small cards, using more than 6 decks, etc. - that WOULD not be a trivial offence - that would be blatant scam by the casino.

I'll say it in no uncertain terms (sorry if I'm being so blunt):
This is complete nonsense what you are writing.

When it comes to online blackjack, all well-known providers not cheated; it is available at all major live online casino providers not cheated.

(You could just as well accuse Casino Dortmund/Duisburg/Baden-Baden/Monaco/Bellagio of mixing in a few additional small cards...)


The fact that you can't successfully count because of the high number of decks and the early tapping (but the casino is entitled to that) is the only truth in your above posts.

[IndexP]

I once watched a few videos on YouTube from the online casino and it's the same as it used to be. The cards come in a normal slide, and are only shuffled again when only a few are left in the slide.

Are you talking
- 1. from an online casino (with a gaming software)
or
- 2. from an online live casino?

If 2., spielo explained it well.
In theory, counting would be possible in online live BJ - in practice, too many decks are used and knocked off too soon for counting to enter the win zone.

If case 1:
Online casinos (i.e. those with gaming software) - there the cards are put into the "virtual" shuffling machine after each round.
So counting (like your own experience in a 'normal' casino) is completely pointless.

[playtime spielo]

I'll say it in no uncertain terms (sorry if I'm being so blunt):
This is complete nonsense what you are writing.

As long as you don't prove me wrong, your statement is just pure speculation! But I would like to emphasize again that I related all my statements to the early days, that should have become clear. Of course, I always assume that it is regular and fair. However, it is not possible to make a clear statement as long as the online casinos do not work transparently and create processes like in casinos.

What you are accusing casinos, live casinos, Playtech live casinos with here (speculation, opinion, assumption - whatever) - adding a few additional small cards, using more than 6 decks, etc. - that WOULD not be a trivial offence - that would be badass scam on the part of the casino.

I didn't accuse the casinos of anything and you mouthed fraud. It is pure speculation from 20 years online Casino Experience that I, as an affiliate, will certainly only give to the players as food for thought. Because if I didn't do that, I'd be a monkey who didn't give a shit and just wanted to make money!! I can't even judge if things are different at the moment, since I haven't played live blackjack for 3 years. But if I look at the videos of today, it is almost always the same process and safety is not guaranteed. Everything boils down to this online casinos have to work more transparently in the live game area, which not only affects BlackJack!

Of course, things are different when the transmission takes place from a real casino, where fellow players, financial authorities or surveillance monitor the table.

When it comes to online blackjack, all well-known providers not cheated; it is available at all major live online casino providers not cheated.

(You could just as well accuse Casino Dortmund/Duisburg/Baden-Baden/Monaco/Bellagio of mixing in a few additional small cards...)

Such statements are absolute nonsense; in all casinos the cards are drawn, checked and then shuffled before the game. Mixed, mounted and checked again after each sled. With the Schaffler, this happens before the game starts with witnesses and a supervisory authority and it has to be opened, then only under witnesses with the pit boss or supervisory authority. So there is no possibility of cheating here.

An example of how online blackjack works today, jumping ahead to about 9.57 minutes because the sled is swapped. At 16:25 the second croupier comes and shuffles the cards in the background, which is fair and transparent. Now, if the cards in the slide were opened and checked before the table opened, it would actually be really safe. Unfortunately, you can't see that here, I assume so. But since the cards are only shuffled in the background, but you cannot see which cards are actually in the sledge, this again causes a risk. As long as you don't work here like in casinos, there is and will always be a gap in the system. I'm not suggesting fraud or anything else, but just standing there and saying that's not the case, that's all fair and safe is a very weak statement.

[IndexP]

Such statements are absolute nonsense; in all casinos the cards are drawn, checked and then shuffled before the game. Mixed, mounted and checked again after each sled. With the Schaffler, this happens before the game starts with witnesses and a supervisory authority and it has to be opened, then only under witnesses with the pit boss or supervisory authority. So there is no possibility of cheating here.

An example of how online blackjack works today, jumping ahead to about 9.57 minutes because the sled is swapped. At 16:25 the second croupier comes and shuffles the cards in the background, which is fair and transparent. Now, if the cards in the slide were opened and checked before the table opened, it would actually be really safe. Unfortunately, you can't see that here, I assume so. But since the cards are only shuffled in the background, but you cannot see which cards are actually in the sledge, this again causes a risk. As long as you don't work here like in casinos, there is and will always be a gap in the system. I'm not suggesting fraud or anything else, but just standing there and saying that's not the case, that's all fair and safe is a very weak statement.

Lots of text, little substance.
Of course, there are also plenty of ways to cheat in land-based gaming casinos - both for the casino itself and on the part of the players.
Provided you have enough criminal energy.

[IndexP]

I didn't accuse the casinos of anything and you mouthed fraud.

You made the allegations of too many small cards and possibly more than 6 decks - not me.
And yes, when that happens, it's cheating.

[IndexP]

As long as you don't prove me wrong, your statement is just pure speculation!

Contrary to you, who talks about speculation, feelings, opinions (too many small cards, too many decks)...

It happens with EVERY player that the course of the game doesn't seem right to him.
If it is for one's own benefit, people are happy to take it with them - or attribute it to one's own ability.
When things go badly (and supposedly weirdly) they look for (another) culprit - the casino.
So far, so human.

I did the only right thing in such situations that seemed "strange" to me:
I have subjected my "feelings" or suspicions to a test.
Blackjack, video poker, roulette.
Hand and number distributions "written down" - and for this partly collected hands, game rounds, numbers for up to one and a half years.
In all possible online casinos of all major software providers (Microgaming, Playtech, NetEnt - and then Crypto and Boss)
And what came out?
NOTHING.
Not a single one of my feelings had any substance on close and proper mathematical examination.
There was just...... - COINCIDENCE.

And you really think that little "spielo-light" found out about a little scam years ago at the Playtech live casinos (I repeat again - the accusation was: too many small cards in the game, too many decks) - that the really "big boys" missed?
Dream on...

To me, these are all just signs of an apparently bad loser who wants to blame them elsewhere.